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Ozaki gains revenge over Tynybekova to win 62kg Asian title

Friday, April 22, 2022 - 12:58 By Ken Marantz

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ULAANBAATAR, Mongolia (April 22) -- It wasn't the ideal way for the match to end, but Nonoka OZAKI (JPN) can claim to have properly avenged a disappointing loss at last year's World Championships.

Ozaki was well on her way to a decisive victory when an ankle injury forced world champion Aisuluu TYNYBEKOVA (KGZ) to default midway through the second period of their 62kg final on Friday at the Asian Championships.

"I lost to her once at the World Championships and when I knew that I would have a rematch in this match, I was determined to definitely win," said the 20-year-old Ozaki, who won the senior Asian title in her debut. "I wanted to test what I have done up to now in wrestling."

Ozaki's victory, avenging a loss to Tynybekova in the first round at the 2021 World Championships in Oslo, was one of four won by the powerful Japanese team on the fourth day of competition at the Buyant Ukhaa Sports Palace.

Japan also got golds from world champions Akari FUJINAMI (JPN) at 53kg and Tsugumi SAKURAI (JPN) at 57kg, while world silver medalist Miwa MORIKAWA (JPN) clinched the 65kg gold during the round-robin in the morning session.

Japan finished with seven gold and two silver to easily take the team title with 227 points, followed by host Mongolia with 167, thanks to four silver medals, and Kazakhstan, which got gold from a pair of twins and finished with 142 points.

Nonoka OZAKINonoka OZAKI (JPN) used the leg lace to rack up points against Aisuluu TYNYBEKOVA (KGZ). (Photo: UWW / Bayrem Ben Mrad)

In the 62kg final, Ozaki had broken up a tense match by scoring a takedown and ripping off three lace locks to go ahead 9-1, when Tynybekova indicated she had injured her right ankle with 1:40 left on the clock.

After being checked by the tournament doctor and gingerly testing the ankle, the Tokyo Olympic silver medalist decided she could no longer continue. She had to be carried out of the arena and was not present for the medal ceremony to receive her ninth Asian medal.

The somber ending put a damper on what stands as the greatest triumph of the 19-year-old Ozaki's young career, which includes two world cadet golds. She made her international senior debut in Oslo, where she saw Tynybekova rally from a 4-0 deficit to win 6-4 and go on to take her second world gold.

Ozaki ended up with the bronze and was waiting for a chance for revenge, although not obsessing over it.

"I very much had thoughts of wanting a rematch," Ozaki said. "But the wrestlers who enter the Asian Championships are not just limited to Aisuluu. There are other strong wrestlers. My feeling is I have to win no matter who the opponents are."

In the final, both wrestlers were cautious and the first period ended with Tynybekova, a four-time Asian champion, holding a 1-0 lead from an activity point. In the second period, Ozaki gained an activity point of her own -- which came after a delay when the scoreboard suddenly went dark during the activity period.

Near the midpoint, Ozaki scored a takedown and immediately locked up Tynybekova's legs, then executed successive rolls in the way that the Japanese women do so effectively. She said she was unaware that Tynybekova had been injured during the series.

"I thought that if I was aggressive from the beginning, I would get points," Ozaki said. "I was a little tense, and in the second period, I wanted to wrestle a solid match. The match ended up going long, but in the end, it was good that I was able to turn her from the ground. The match flow seemed to be a success."

Akari FUJINAMIAkari FUJINAMI (JPN) outscored her opponents 41-0 at 53kg. (Photo: UWW / Bayrem Ben Mrad)

At 53kg, 18-year-old phenom Fujinami continues to operate on a different plane, overwhelming Khulan BATKHUYAG (MGL) 11-0 in 1:17 in the final to give her four technical falls in four matches without conceding a point.

"It's my first Asian Championships, and my first international tournament since winning at the World Championships," Fujinami said. "I think that others are scouting me now, but I think I am making progress in my wrestling."

As good as she is already, Fujinami says she is always striving to improve and works to fix problems or self-proclaimed weak points. That's what came into play against Batkhuyag, whom she had met earlier in the day in a group-stage match that went into the second period.

"It was good that I ended the [final] from ground wrestling, but she was very powerful," Fujinami said. "From the first match, I knew she liked to grab the wrist. So I took measures against that. While doing so, I had good timing on my tackles and transitioned well to ground wrestling."

Fujinami, who now has a 97-match winning streak that dates back to a junior high school tournament in 2017, acknowledged that her victory was made easier by the absence of the Chinese and DPR Korean teams, both of whom have had success in the lower weights. Fujinami has yet to face a wrestler from either country and can't wait to do so.

"In the 53kg class, North Korea and China have strong wrestlers," Fujinami said. "It's a shame that they weren't able to be here. I'm sure the day will come when I face them, and I am committed to being prepared when I do."

Fujinami could get the chance in the fall. Instead of heading to Belgrade to defend her world title, she has opted to enter the Asian Games, to be held the following week in China. Because of the tight schedule, the Japan federation mandated that wrestlers had to choose one or the other.

"The Asian Games is the Asian version of the Olympics, and is an important event that comes only once every four years," said Fujinami, who this month started her first year at Nippon Sports Science University, where among her coaches is the four-time Olympic champion Kaori ICHO.

"It not only has wrestling but many other sports. I definitely want to win an Asian Games title."

Before that, Fujinami has one more important tournament, one that is domestic but will attract global attention.

At the All-Japan Invitational Championships in June, the teen could finally clash with Olympic champion Mayu MUKAIDA (JPN). The tournament will see the return to action of Japan's Olympic medalists, who have not competed since Tokyo.

"I'm figuring that I will probably meet her in June," Fujinami said. "But it's not just Shidochi, there are many other strong wrestlers. I'm not just keeping Shidochi in mind, but on all of them. If I have a match with Shidochi, I'm definitely aiming to win. I look forward to it."

Tsugumi SAKURAI (JPN)Tsugumi SAKURAI (JPN) pinned Anshu MALIK (IND) to win the 57kg gold. (Photo: UWW / Bayrem Ben Mrad)

For Sakurai, her victory at 57kg marked a successful move up to the Olympic weight after taking the world title in Oslo at 55kg. Her test under fire came in the final against world silver medalist and 2021 Asian champion Anshu MALIK (IND), and she passed with flying colors.

The 20-year-old Sakurai scored a takedown and then applied a chicken wing and armbar to lever the Indian onto her back for a fall in 53 seconds.

"That move is a specialty of mine," Sakurai said. "It was good that I was able to turn her over from the ground. My opponent was second in the world and I knew she is a strong wrestler, so I thought, this is the only way. I'm happy I was able to win with a fall."

With only seven entries, the weight class had a group stage, which meant that Sakurai had a busy morning that included three group matches and the semifinal. That helped make it an even more satisfying performance.

"This is my first tournament at 57kg as a national team member," she said. "I kept in mind my objective was to face various opponents and win the title. It was my first time to have four matches in the morning session; that was tough, but in the end, I was able to win out by sticking to my style."

Like her other young teammates, Sakurai is eyeing a trip to the 2024 Paris Olympics but has the hurdle of the current Olympic champion in her path. In Sakurai's case, that would be two-time Olympic gold medalist Risako KAWAI (JPN).

"Going abroad and winning the Asian Championships is a significant result for me," Sakurai said. "But in Japan, there are many strong wrestlers. There is the Olympic champion. I have to work much harder to be able to win in Japan. I want to work hard and get to the Olympics."

Zhamila BAKBERGENOVA (KAZ)Zhamila BAKBERGENOVA (KAZ) used a four-point move to beat Sumire NIIKURA (JPN) and clinch the 72kg gold. (Photo: Bayrem Ben Mrad)

Bakbergenova matches twin with gold

World silver medalist Zhamila BAKBERGENOVA (KAZ) says it was more nerve-racking to see her twin sister Madina capture a gold medal the previous day than it was for her to win one on her own.

With two of her four matches being decided on criteria, it took a steady state of mind for Bakbergenova to complete a perfect run of four wins to clinch the 72kg gold in the morning session.

"Of course, I'm very happy that I secured the gold medal," Bakbergenova said. "Yesterday my twin sister won a gold medal at the tournament. I am happy for my twin's accomplishment more than mine."

While Bakbergenova proved to be the class of the weight class in winning her second Asian gold and fourth medal overall, she faced a stiff challenge in handling the little time she had between matches.

"I had four consecutive matches with 20 minutes in between," she said. "But it was not about me winning and finishing the match fast. The time was running very fast for me. Just as I finished the match, they were calling me for the next round."

Bakbergenova, who started the day by forging a 3-3 win over eventual bronze medalist Davaanasan ENKH-AMAR (MGL), had her decisive test in her fourth match against newcomer Sumire NIIKURA (JPN), who would take the silver in the first overseas tournament of her career.

Bakbergenova scored a 4-point takedown to the back early in the second period, which put her ahead on criteria when Niikura rallied to tie the score at 4-4. The match ended with the score that way and a prone Bakbergenova desperately clinging to Niikura's leg to prevent a winning takedown.

"The Japanese wrestler was very powerful," Bakbergenova said. "My coach said to hold on and finish the first period, then start attacking from the second period. The match was hard and very competitive."

For the sisters, Ulaanbaatar holds a special place in their careers, which started when they were 14 in eighth grade. In 2013, they both won titles here at the Asian Cadet Championships.

Bakbergenova said she didn't personally witness sister Madina's triumph at 68kg on Thursday, but watching the matches was stressful.

"When Madina was wrestling yesterday, I wasn't at the stadium, instead I was at the hotel," she said. "But I watched every single match of Madina.

"It was very hard for me to see my twin wrestling because the opponents that she was drawn with were very competitive. It would be easier if I was the one wrestling. After the match, she told me that the next victory is yours."

Miwa MORIKAWAMiwa MORIKAWA (JPN) won her debut Asian Championships gold. (Photo: UWW / Bayrem Ben Mrad)

Like Bakbergenova, Japan's Morikawa went through the pressure cooker of wrestling all four of her group matches in the morning session, which she swept to take the 65kg gold.

The 2019 world junior champion's toughest match came in the third round of the round-robin when she scored all of her points in the second period of a 7-3 victory over eventual bronze medalist Purevsuren ULZIISAIKHAN (MGL). She had a fall and two technical falls in her other matches.

"It was good that I won the title, but there wasn't really any tough opponent so I thought I had to win," Morikawa said. "That was good, but looking ahead to the next tournament, makes me feel I have to step up my effort."

Morikawa said the short intervals between matches took their toll, but she also saw a positive side to the hardship.

"I like the glitter of the night session, but I had to do four matches in the morning session," Morikawa said. "I've never had the chance to have that experience, so conversely, it was lucky."

Morikawa had been on the Japan team that was supposed to take part in last year's Asian Championships in Almaty but was pulled just before departing Japan because of suspected exposure to the coronavirus.

"I'm really glad I could come to the Asian Championships this year. It took a year to win the title, but it's a good memory, " Morikawa said.

Morikawa, who barely missed out on the Tokyo Olympics when she lost a close playoff at 68kg to Sara DOSHO (JPN), plans to move up to eventually move back up to that weight.

"This year I will stay at 65kg and go to the World Championships, where I hope to win the title and make that the lead-in to moving up to 68kg."

In addition to Ulziisaikhan and Enkh Amar, host Mongolia got bronze medals from Bolortuya KHURELKHUU (MGL) at 57kg and Khongorzul BOLDSAIKHAN (MGL) at 62kg.

Zhuldyz ESHIMOVA (KAZ) won the bronze at 50kg for her eighth career Asian medal dating back to 2007, while Manisha MANISHA (IND) picked up the second bronze at 62kg, which had eight entries.

ALL PHOTOS: Asian Championships day four

Day 4 Results

Women's Wrestling

53kg (6 entries)
GOLD: Akari FUJINAMI (JPN) df. Khulan BATKHUYAG (MGL) by TF, 11-0, 1:17

BRONZE: Zhuldyz ESHIMOVA (KAZ) df. Aktenge KEUNIMJAEVA (UZB), 5-1

57kg (7 entries)
GOLD: Tsugumi SAKURAI (JPN) df. Anshu MALIK (IND) by Fall, :53 (4-0)

BRONZE: Bolortuya KHURELKHUU (MGL) df. Shokhida AKHMEDOVA (UZB) by TF, 11-1, 4:45

62kg (8 entries)
GOLD: Nonoka OZAKI (JPN) df. Aisuluu TYNYBEKOVA (KGZ) by Inj. Def., 4:20 (9-1)

BRONZE: Khongorzul BOLDSAIKHAN (MGL) df. Nabira ESENBAEVA (UZB) by TF, 10-0, 2:41
BRONZE: MANISHA (IND) df. Hanbit LEE (KOR) by Fall, 4:58 (4-2)

65kg (5 entries)
GOLD: Miwa MORIKAWA (JPN), 4-0
SILVER: Radhika JAGLAN RANA (IND), 3-1
BRONZE: Purevsuren ULZIISAIKHAN (MGL), 2-2

Key Match: Miwa MORIKAWA (JPN) df. Radhika JAGLAN RANA (IND) by TF, 10-0, 4:20 in Round 2

72kg (5 entries)
GOLD: Zhamila BAKBERGENOVA (KAZ), 4-0
SILVER: Sumire NIIKURA (JPN), 3-1
BRONZE: Davaanasan ENKH AMAR (MGL), 2-2

Key Match: Zhamila BAKBERGENOVA (KAZ) df. Sumire NIIKURA (JPN) 4-4 in Round 4

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Olympic champ Higuchi on fact-finding mission to get grasp on American folkstyle

Thursday, March 6, 2025 - 11:32 By Ken Marantz

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TOKYO (March 6) -- The conventional wisdom is that domestic folkstyle hampers American wrestlers trying to make the transition to the international stage. Paris Olympic champion Rei HIGUCHI (JPN), however, finds the opposite to be true, saying his toughest matches have come against opponents with such a background.

And the Japanese star has been on a fact-finding mission to find out why. Higuchi has been spending the winter learning American folkstyle while training at Lehigh University in the eastern U.S. in an attempt to find out what makes that version of the sport tick, and how he might be able to integrate its techniques into his own reportoire.

"When I face opponents who had done American style, I always have a hard time," Higuchi said in an interview last year prior to departing on his journey.

Higuchi, the freestyle 57kg gold medalist in Paris, cites the difficulty he had in the final with Spencer LEE (USA), the American sparkplug whom he defeated 4-2 with a late takedown off a scramble -- the aspect of the sport that Higuchi notes Americans are particularly adept at.

"It was the same with Seth GROSS [USA]," he added, referring to his opponent in a wild 15-7 semifinal victory en route to the 61kg world title in 2022. "It's a different culture, isn't it? The difference in styles, what makes them strong, that's something I haven't yet figured out. By not knowing, I feel I still have room for growth and that's exciting."

Rei HIGUCHI (JPN)Rei HIGUCHI (JPN) wrestling at the Lehigh University. (Photo: Courtesy of Lehigh University)

The biggest difference between American folkstyle and the freestyle used around the globe is the emphasis on control in the former. Takedowns are generally the same, but what comes after that is how the two styles greatly differ.

In a loose equivalent of par terre, there is no returning the wrestlers to their feet after an allotted time for gaining exposure points, and the bottom wrestler is obligated to be on the move and try to escape or reverse. And there are no points for just exposing the back; the opponent must be held down on the mat for a certain count for points to be given.

"In college style, on the ground, they don't use the body lock, so their forearms are incredibly strong," Higuchi noted. "Maybe it was just Spencer Lee, but I feel like I have to train harder to get that strength in my forearms.

"Instead of a body lock, I think I can raise my level by learning how to maintain control [on top], how to get takedowns and how to use my body. I want to practice a lot."

Regarding his first impression of the differences, Higuchi said in a message earlier this winter, "I feel that in folkstyle, there are a lot of scramble situations. In freestyle, you wrestle trying to keep your legs from getting touched. But these guys don't seem to care if someone gets in on a tackle.

"From the time the leg is touched, they are thinking about how to get control of the opponent. In that way, the American wrestlers are far superior in scrambles then those from other countries."

Lehigh UniversityLehigh University wrestling training room.

Lehigh comes calling

While it was Higuchi who would go off in search of enlightenment, it was actually Lehigh that came to him and proferred an invitation to practice with the team in the middle of the U.S. collegiate wrestling season.

The 29-year-old Higuchi, who defeated Lehigh alumnus Darian CRUZ (PUR) in the quarterfinals in Paris, said he was approached in September after the Olympics. He needed little persuasion.

"For them to think so highly of me, I was really happy," said Higuchi, who was allowed to bring his wife and baby daughter. "I want to help them produce NCAA champions."

The final arrangements were made by Sanshiro ABE (JPN), a former NCAA champ at Penn State currently living in Pennsylvania where Lehigh is located, via Shingo MATSUMOTO (JPN), the head coach at Nippon Sports Science University, Higuchi's alma mater where he continues to train.

From the start, Lehigh coach Pat SANTORO (USA), along with Kerry MCCOY (USA), the head coach of the Lehigh Valley Wrestling Club, were on board with Higuchi's coming.

"When Kerry McCoy and I were approached we were obviously very excited," Santoro said in an interview by email. "Kerry spent some time in Japan last year with Darian Cruz and learned so much. I have been a huge fan of Rei's for many years, so it was an easy decision."

Lehigh's timing was just right, because soon after other teams came calling for Higuchi. But he said he had already made a commitment and would stick to it.

"Actually, from [Tadaaki] HATTA I heard that Oklahoma [State] definitely wanted me to come," Higuchi said. "But I had already decided to accept Lehigh's offer, so I thought maybe I could go after that had finished. Oklahoma [State], Penn State, Iowa. Well, Iowa, I'm not sure, with the connection with Spencer Lee," he said with a grin.

Lehigh, which has a traditionally strong wrestling program, is an academically select private university with an enrollment of 5,800 located in the town of Bethlehem, about 90 kilometers north of Philadelphia and 130 kilometers west of New York City.

Higuchi is one of a number of top Japanese who have taken "sabbaticals" at U.S. universities this winter, after the country's wrestlers suddenly became hot commodities when they came away from Paris with a stunning haul of eight gold medals, a silver and two bronzes.

Reigning world 61kg champion Masanosuke ONO has been training at No. 1-ranked Penn State, while Paris 74kg silver medalist Daichi TAKATANI and Tokyo Olympic 65kg champion Takuto OTOGURO mixed it up at Ohio State.

But unlike Higuchi, the others went for exposure to American training methods, not to learn folkstyle. "I think it can be applied to freestyle," Higuchi said. "When we tied up, Seth was really strong in that position. His ability to be in control is higher than in freestyle now. I want to be able to do that part of it."

Higuchi said he knew going into the venture that, while his aim was to learn the American style, his hosts were not going to let the opportunity to pick the brain of an Olympic champion go to waste. As such, it natually evolved into a mutually beneficial arrangement for both sides, one in which Higuchi has already participated in a clinic for local wrestlers.

"I want to share the techniques I have with the Lehigh students, and conversely, I want to learn and absorb much from the Lehigh students that I can take back with me," Higuchi said. "I want it to be a fruitful three months."

Said coach Santoro: "Our staff and team ask a lot of questions about his training, learning new techniques and his mindset.

"I believe that freestyle and folkstyle are very similar and making a few minor adjustments will allow you to adapt to each style. At the end of the day, wrestling is wrestling and fundamentals are what wins at the highest level."

Higuchi said one thing he has he noticed is that American training sessions feature more live wrestling, while Japan's lean toward a more drill-oriented approach. "It's not a matter of which way is better, but the difference in culture seems to come out in the wrestling styles."

Rei HIGUCHI (JPN)Rei HIGUCHI (JPN) with wife Yuki and daughter Nagi at the airport before flying to the United States. (Photo: Rei Higuchi / X)

Longest stay abroad

Aside from international tournaments and overseas training camps, it marks the longest time Higuchi has spent overseas. "The longest up to now has been about three weeks," he said.

"I've been on extended practice tours to Russia, Mongolia and other places. But the max has been three weeks."

Ever since he attended the 2017 NCAA Championships in the midwestern city of St. Louis in 2017 ("They had massive crowds. Everyone eats popcorn as they watch," he recalls), Higuchi has been enamored with the fervor that Americans show for the sport.

He plans to stay through this year's NCAA Championships, to be held in nearby Philadelphia on March 20-22, and might consider a future stay in the States if the opportunity arises.

Rei HIGUCHI (JPN)Posing with Jordan BURROUGHS (USA) and others at the 2017 NCAA Championships in St. Louis. (Photo courtesy of Rei Higuchi)

"I've always wanted to go [to America]," Higuchi said. "But it was dependent on my putting up good results...In the future, I may be a coach in Japan, or perhaps a coach of a wrestler in America. I don't know how many years I will continue as an athlete.

"But I want to find a future work place that values the skills I have acquired, the passion I have for wrestling and my way of thinking."

In Japan, Higuchi has earned a reputation for being professional, polite and, for a Japanese athlete, outgoing in his own way. Coach Santoro said that that description fits the wrestler who has shown up in the wrestling room.

"Rei is extremely polite and friendly, what I noticed right away is how much he really enjoys wrestling," Santoro said. "He works extremely hard, but he often is smiling or laughing after a great scramble.

"His technique is some of the best I've seen in the world, he is fundamentally sound in so many positions. He is also very good at explaining his thought process of positional wrestling and technique."

Rei HIGUCHI (JPN)Playing the role of the typical tourist at the Statue of Liberty in New York in February. (Photo courtesy of Rei Higuchi)

Higuchi preceded his Lehigh adventure with a short stay at Cornell University, the alma mater of four-time world champion and two-time Olympic bronze medalist Kyle DAKE (USA) in upstate New York.

He arrived at Lehigh in December, but returned to Japan in early January to attend the wedding ceremony of fellow Olympic gold medalist and Nippon Sports Science alumnus Kenichiro FUMITA (JPN). When he returned to Lehigh, he was accompanied by his wife Yuki and daughter Nagi, who turned 1 in February.

The family, which took a sightseeing trip to New York City last month, has been staying at the home of Lehigh junior Ryan CROOKHAM (USA), who finished third at last year's NCAAs at 133lbs (60.3kg). Crookham is a local star from Hellertown, a neighboring town of Bethlehem.

"Our team loves having Rei around, they understand how elite he is and all of his accomplishments," Santoro said. "Seeing how well he prepares and how his mind works is very valuable for our guys. Some of the wrestlers on our team aspire to be World and Olympic champions, too."

Overcoming setbacks

Higuchi's determination enabled him to bounce back stronger from several devastating setbacks and ascend to the apex of the sport, the Olympic gold.

A native of Osaka in central Japan, Higuchi was pushed into the sport at age 3 by his mother, who was concerned he would be bullied because of his small size. His own stubbornness soured him on team sports, but was a good fit for an individual sport like wrestling.

"I was the type who would say, 'We lost because that guy stinks,'" Higuchi said in a 2019 interview with The Japan News. "In that way, wrestling is great. Everything depends on you. If you lose, it's you own fault. I think that is way it suits me."

His first setback came as an elementary school first-grader in 2002, when he lost in the final of that age group at the national championships. It's a loss that left a lifetime impression on him and solidified a distaste for losing that continued throughout his career. He went on to win his age group for the next five years.

He won his first senior national title in 2015 and qualified for the 2016 Rio Olympics, where he was dealt his second big disappointment. In the 57kg final, he suffered a heart-breaking and frustrating 3-3 criteria loss to Vladimir KHINCHEGASHVILI (GEO) in a match he had led 3-0.

Higuchi's bid to make amends for that loss led to perhaps the most devastating calamity of his career. After an unsuccessful bid to qualify for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics at 65kg, he moved back down to 57kg, only to infamously fail to make weight at the Asian Qualifying Tournament. He then lost a playoff for the Japan team spot to Yuki TAKAHASHI (JPN).

Getting married -- his wife was a former national high school champion, and they had a long-distance relationship starting as high schoolers -- helped add structure to his life, and enabled him to better manage his nutrition and weight control. From there, there was no stopping him as he stormed to the gold in Paris.

The path ahead

So, what lies ahead for Higuchi? Like the vast majority of Japan's Paris medalists, he has not seen action since the Olympics, spending the time recovering and taking advantage of invitations to take part in TV variety shows and other frivolities.

Higuchi had toyed with the idea of entering the Meiji Cup All-Japan Invitational Championships in June, which will serve as the second of two qualifiers for this year's World Championships, but has indicated he will give that a pass.

His more immediate aim is to make the team to the 2026 Asian Games, a tournament that he has yet to compete in and which Japan will host in the fall of that year. He would likely have to begin the qualifying process for that at the Emperor's Cup All-Japan Championships in December.

"The next objective is to win a tournament that I haven't won before, which is the Asian Games," Higuchi said. "That's what I'm shooting for."

Beyond that, including defending his Olympic title, remains undecided. "As an athlete, I think I'll want to keep going up to Los Angeles," he said. "I still don't know about that."